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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-19541</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing this great blog I really enjoyed.</description>
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		<title>By: Paula Lemke</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-7126</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Lemke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent blog - my creative input would have been great if I was in John&#039;s class. A wonderful resource &quot;You Are Here, Personal Geographies and Other Maps of the Imagination&quot; by Katharine Harmon, 2004 Princeton Architectural Press, is a book that opens the imagination of various mapping themes, structures and cartography. The bits of accompanying information, for the most part, are secondary to the contents although the poem by Lewis Carroll from The Hunting of the Snark carries a true reason for creating a map in the first place: 
He had brought a large map
representing the sea,
without the least vestige of land: 
And the crew were much pleased
when they found it to be
A map they could all understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent blog &#8211; my creative input would have been great if I was in John&#8217;s class. A wonderful resource &#8220;You Are Here, Personal Geographies and Other Maps of the Imagination&#8221; by Katharine Harmon, 2004 Princeton Architectural Press, is a book that opens the imagination of various mapping themes, structures and cartography. The bits of accompanying information, for the most part, are secondary to the contents although the poem by Lewis Carroll from The Hunting of the Snark carries a true reason for creating a map in the first place:<br />
He had brought a large map<br />
representing the sea,<br />
without the least vestige of land:<br />
And the crew were much pleased<br />
when they found it to be<br />
A map they could all understand.</p>
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		<title>By: MappyB</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-6729</link>
		<dc:creator>MappyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will this blog every be updated!? Such great potential!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this blog every be updated!? Such great potential!!!</p>
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		<title>By: As-map Blog &#187; LEGO + CARTO</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-2171</link>
		<dc:creator>As-map Blog &#187; LEGO + CARTO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CartoBlog Â» Blog Archive Â» Allelopathic Maps &amp; Googleâ€™s â€œMy Mapsâ€ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Custom Map Symbols in Google Maps &#171; Making Maps: DIY Cartography</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Custom Map Symbols in Google Maps &#171; Making Maps: DIY Cartography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote about My Maps - basic how-to and some of its limits - in another blog post, Allelopathic Maps &amp; Googleâ€™s â€œMy Maps.&#8221; One of the My Maps limits, the inadequate and corny set of available map symbols, has been removed: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote about My Maps &#8211; basic how-to and some of its limits &#8211; in another blog post, Allelopathic Maps &amp; Googleâ€™s â€œMy Maps.&#8221; One of the My Maps limits, the inadequate and corny set of available map symbols, has been removed: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MapHead</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-658</link>
		<dc:creator>MapHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically spot on on allelopathic maps, but...

I think Michael Page is also on a right track. A mistake a lot of map theoreticians make is to too generally lump together all maps as arguments. Yes, that is true on some level for every human mark made over the course of history, but where there is a formal, intentional argument, it often gets made (as in tagged maps) ON THE SURFACE of a reference map. The bulk of the reference layers (which is what the basic Google maps are) are used as just that -- reference -- for the main point of the map, which might be included within the publication, sketched on top of it for public display, or somewhere in between (MyMaps). 

It&#039;s like a stage performance. Sometimes (like a Rockettes show) the stage setting is a lot of the point of the show. Sometimes the stage setting is designed specifically to enhance and push forward a specific performance. An sometimes it is neutral, intended to say, here is the framework I have built to hold up the performace; now pay attention to the performance and only the performance, not to the stage.

When a cartographer is designing a reference map alone, she/he is creating the equivalent of one of those outdoor amphitheater in the park things, meant to be used by a variety of performance, all of which will be played out on the surface of the cartographer&#039;s existing map.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically spot on on allelopathic maps, but&#8230;</p>
<p>I think Michael Page is also on a right track. A mistake a lot of map theoreticians make is to too generally lump together all maps as arguments. Yes, that is true on some level for every human mark made over the course of history, but where there is a formal, intentional argument, it often gets made (as in tagged maps) ON THE SURFACE of a reference map. The bulk of the reference layers (which is what the basic Google maps are) are used as just that &#8212; reference &#8212; for the main point of the map, which might be included within the publication, sketched on top of it for public display, or somewhere in between (MyMaps). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a stage performance. Sometimes (like a Rockettes show) the stage setting is a lot of the point of the show. Sometimes the stage setting is designed specifically to enhance and push forward a specific performance. An sometimes it is neutral, intended to say, here is the framework I have built to hold up the performace; now pay attention to the performance and only the performance, not to the stage.</p>
<p>When a cartographer is designing a reference map alone, she/he is creating the equivalent of one of those outdoor amphitheater in the park things, meant to be used by a variety of performance, all of which will be played out on the surface of the cartographer&#8217;s existing map.</p>
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		<title>By: MappyB</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>MappyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found this link when I joined CartoTalk today - great blog! I&#039;m going to be honest, I haven&#039;t read this whole post since I&#039;m at work, but I wanted to ask - where can one find map bathroom tiles? :) It&#039;s probably just a Photoshop work, but that would be very cool for a map geek like me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this link when I joined CartoTalk today &#8211; great blog! I&#8217;m going to be honest, I haven&#8217;t read this whole post since I&#8217;m at work, but I wanted to ask &#8211; where can one find map bathroom tiles? <img src='http://www.cartoblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s probably just a Photoshop work, but that would be very cool for a map geek like me!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Page</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some ways I loathe to bring this issue up but your posting raises questions with me about the dividing line between mapping (or better yet, cartography) and map annotation. Plotting opportunities to take a piss (on which my mobile device this could prove quite useful) to me is &quot;marking up&quot; a map. Providing a richer communicative experience for a map reader is closer to what I think of as making a map. If we think of this in the printed medium such an exercise would be clearer as there would be the author&#039;s intended purpose and a reader&#039;s markups. In the digital medium I am thinking such boundaries are less clear. 

In my opinion, what is around the bend for Google Maps (and their consumers) are real-time data linkages between their online spreadsheets apps and their mapping applications (it already there for more specialized entities). This is already evident in third-party apps like EditGrid (Google certainly has an eye on them) that can generate a kml (but with some limitations). For cartographers, I think the maturation of such technologies and public acceptance/incorporation of them will further define the role (and importance) of cartography in the digital medium. In the meantime, consumers of these technologies will continue to markup, plot, and overlay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways I loathe to bring this issue up but your posting raises questions with me about the dividing line between mapping (or better yet, cartography) and map annotation. Plotting opportunities to take a piss (on which my mobile device this could prove quite useful) to me is &#8220;marking up&#8221; a map. Providing a richer communicative experience for a map reader is closer to what I think of as making a map. If we think of this in the printed medium such an exercise would be clearer as there would be the author&#8217;s intended purpose and a reader&#8217;s markups. In the digital medium I am thinking such boundaries are less clear. </p>
<p>In my opinion, what is around the bend for Google Maps (and their consumers) are real-time data linkages between their online spreadsheets apps and their mapping applications (it already there for more specialized entities). This is already evident in third-party apps like EditGrid (Google certainly has an eye on them) that can generate a kml (but with some limitations). For cartographers, I think the maturation of such technologies and public acceptance/incorporation of them will further define the role (and importance) of cartography in the digital medium. In the meantime, consumers of these technologies will continue to markup, plot, and overlay.</p>
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		<title>By: ubikcan</title>
		<link>http://www.cartoblog.com/allelopathic-maps-googles-my-maps/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>ubikcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have suffered through countless student ideas limited by allelopathy (great word).

While MyMaps is a good step forward, there is still the crucial aspect of having to write your own code (or wind up using someone else&#039;s which may not do what you want).

What&#039;s next? There was a blog post somewhere recently captured on Planet Geospatial that was the first suggestion that Google Earth etc. was starting to acquire some analytical capability, no doubt eliciting loud groans from Redlands, Ca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have suffered through countless student ideas limited by allelopathy (great word).</p>
<p>While MyMaps is a good step forward, there is still the crucial aspect of having to write your own code (or wind up using someone else&#8217;s which may not do what you want).</p>
<p>What&#8217;s next? There was a blog post somewhere recently captured on Planet Geospatial that was the first suggestion that Google Earth etc. was starting to acquire some analytical capability, no doubt eliciting loud groans from Redlands, Ca.</p>
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